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This is like a gay sex hookup board, right?
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im gonna hook you up to a heart monitor creep
estradiol4estradiol
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yeah 
do you need to have your boyhole filled bby
>>4322
i take estradiol but i'm not submissive and i'm only attracted to girls. idk what i'm doing
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>>4350
what do you take it for then
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>>4352
for the effects of estradiol
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>>4353
what does it do?
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>>4356
makes you look more soft and feminine. skin also becomes squishy, literally
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>>4357
why do you want to be more soft and feminine if you don't actually want to be fugged?
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>>4358
I just look a lot better that way. I've never had anything in my butt and don't want anything in there but it kind of boosts my self-esteem because it makes me more objectively attractive
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>>4359
>it makes me more objectively attractive

to men, yeah...
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>>4360
some girls like that look and like androgyny
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>>4361
no they don't
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>>4362
how would you know you've never even seen a girl
>>4361
maybe
i'm going to fuck you right now though
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>>4364
only if you're a cute femboy (I make exceptions for those. still no butt stuff though just passionate rubbing)
>>4350
do you do anything special to preserve dick function? that can be an issue for some people.
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>>4369
i fuk yur mum

#gottem
>>4357
Doesn't this give you ED though?
I hear mtfs on hormones have to constantly use their dick to keep it from atrophying, that's some scary shit if you like being male.
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>>4369
>>4372
I masturbate regularly and apply testosterone gel to it weekly

>that's some scary shit if you like being male.
yeah it is still pretty scary to me. I kind of take the estrogen on and off as a result of those anxieties
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>>4373
Do you take it with androgen blockers or is it just the estrogen?
I read in a few places that femboys will take low dosages to look cute but it won't affect their reproductive system, they have to pay for their own a la carte blood tests though, a doctor will think they have a hormonal imbalance if they see it on a normal physical.
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>>4373
that's stupid
also has your dick grown from the localized gel?
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>>4375
>that's stupid
why?

>also has your dick grown from the localized gel?
not sure. don't think I notice a difference either way. I just wanted to prevent shrinkage. that would be a plus if it actually grew, though

>>4374
>I read in a few places that femboys will take low dosages to look cute but it won't affect their reproductive system, they have to pay for their own a la carte blood tests though, a doctor will think they have a hormonal imbalance if they see it on a normal physical.
yeah I haven't done a blood test since I started but I intend on getting a private blood test soon (without a doctor). if I really went to a doctor I guess I'd have to disclose it to them so they don't freak out from blood test results

>Do you take it with androgen blockers or is it just the estrogen?
just fairly low/medium-dose estrogen (4 mg oral estradiol) without androgen blockers. androgen blockers tend to have a lot of side effects that I don't want. that + the T gel keeps sexual functioning mostly intact while still resulting in some physical changes
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>>4376
Imagine that conversation
>also I'm taking estrogen so don't freak out if I have low T
>how come?
>uhhhhhhhh

Is this one of those situations where it's easier to pretend you're trans?
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>>4378
>Is this one of those situations where it's easier to pretend you're trans?
yes pretty much. too hard to explain HRT femboys. and then in online communities it's too hard to explain straight top HRT femboys. I'm kind of on my own
>>4376
because you're using too low of a dose, men with below normal test and ED can show improvement with 10% gel two times per day over months
besides estrogen and testosterone don't cancel each other out, you can end up with both high testosterone and high estrogen, and you can't pick the effects that will develop
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>>4381
What's the dose that will give you smooth skin but not tiddies or fat in your hips?
There isn't one is there?
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>>4381
>because you're using too low of a dose, men with below normal test and ED can show improvement with 10% gel two times per day over months
interesting. I might apply it more often. I've always had average T and never had ED. though starting after a month on E erections did become weaker and harder to maintain. I'm not afraid of risking masculinizing or anything though so I may try to use it more

>>4382
2 mg oral estradiol gave me smooth skin within like a week and 4 mg made it even better. no breast growth yet but that may happen eventually. some people claim starting with high-dose (or especially very high-dose) injections from day 1 is the best way to reduce/prevent breast growth

you could start on 1 mg but you may not notice anything at all. 2 mg with no antiandrogens is probably pretty safe and unlikely to result in significant breast growth. or if it does you'd be able to easily stop before it becomes noticeable

neurological and psychological changes also may happen no matter what, though they should be lessened with such a low dose. you may become more sociable, empathetic, and possibly more interested in social interaction and less interested in more solitary pursuits/hobbies. though results vary
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>>4384
Did you notices changes in your personality?
That sounds like a bigger deal than you make it out to be.
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>>4382
no there isn't, since squishy, smooth skin in girls is caused by a layer of fat under the tissue, that's why they have that small deposit of fat on their lower tummies, and that same fat is what causes hips and tits, however the effects are dose dependent, so start low and stop when you notice fat on your chest
>>4384
it's still stupid because those men had low test to begin with, and are replacing it with the gel. if you have normal levels and try to replace it, your testicles will just make less testosterone and let themselves be replaced by the gel, that's why people who quit steroids have 0 testosterone, it can take a while for your testicles to realize they need to start making it again, you probably should stick to a low dose of estrogen and stop it if your dick stops working, but by the look of things you're just a metrosexual male who wants clear skin lol get a moisturizer
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>>4385
>Did you notices changes in your personality?
only very slight ones, many of which could be placebo. my dose is so low, especially with no antiandrogen, which is probably one reason why they're slight

>That sounds like a bigger deal than you make it out to be.
yeah there are no scientific studies on it, but there are many anecdotal reports of it eventually even changing people's sexualities and making them much more attracted to masculine men, even if they weren't attracted to guys whatsoever pre-HRT. that hasn't happened to me at all (so far) and hasn't happened for many others, but many do report it has happened to them, and I think it may not all be easily explained by repression/homophobia/norms/self-hatred/psychological factors

it's dumb but basically testosterone may be neurologically correlated with stereotypically male interests/thoughts/behavior and vice versa for estrogen. not to the same degree as someone who's neo-natally exposed to one more than the other, but possibly still with some effect, in some or many cases

I did personally find myself feeling a bit more of an intrinsic interest in other people and in getting intrinsic reward from socializing and talking to and helping others when previously I've always been an ultra-stoic cold autistic schizoid guy, and I think it probably isn't purely placebo

>>4387
>by the look of things you're just a metrosexual male who wants clear skin lol get a moisturizer
the dumb part is my skin was always extremely clear and smooth pre-HRT despite never using any moisturizer or anything. I kind of like/want the fat changes too though. and it seems to change not just the texture but the actual substance and composition of my skin itself, like it transforms into a different material entirely. it's like swapping out your skinsuit for a more comfortable and soft/elastic one

>it's still stupid because those men had low test to begin with, and are replacing it with the gel.
I don't know how it works exactly, but I think it's recommended to take it to reduce risk of size/function loss no matter how much estrogen you're taking. in addition to some degree of competition or suppression, the penile tissue itself has estrogen receptors. I'm aware taking too much can lead to the natural production decreasing which is why I just follow the once-a-week regimen, but maybe there's some optimization where I could do it a little more and make the trade-off (estrogen vs. endogenous testosterone vs. exogenous testosterone) as ideal as possible for maintaining size and erection quality. guess I could experiment more
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>>4389
A lot of those sexuality changes can be explained if they're also crossdressing, it flips a switch in you if you're naturally predisposed to it, you become a different person when playing dress up.
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>>4390
this is an accurate depiction of what happens when you call a boy cute, it melts his brain and makes him do stupid things like crossdress to get more complements
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>>4392
I love you Magick, you're my little cutie.
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>>4319 (OP) 
No. But that doesn't mean that doesn't happen either.
>>4319 (OP) 
no, but this is: https://tagmap.io/tag/femboy
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>esfores is literally trying to groom me into an HRT femboys
It's more likely than you think!
>>4373
I've heard that some people on HRT use angion method to get good strong blood vessels, you could try that for harder erections.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AngionMethod/
I do these exercises myself and love the effects, but I can't personally vouch for how well they work on HRT.
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>>4412
Is this selling some kind of jelqing device or something?
I'm 5 minutes into the beginner guide and have no idea what they're selling.
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>>4416
you don't need to buy the device, those are for super advanced practitioners who have plateaued their gains with the hand exercises. I just do the main AM2 exercise and that alone has made my veins visibly grow a lot without needing to get into the half-dozen other exercises. my dick also feels fuller and more sensitive, gets hard easier, and it's starting to feel like I have some ability to get hard at will.
why can't you guys just wear girl clothes without fucking up your hormonal balance to such a degree you need to do special exercises just so your dick can still get hard
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>>4424
>why can't you guys just wear girl clothes without fucking up your hormonal balance to such a degree you need to do special exercises just so your dick can still get hard
the silliest part is I've literally never even worn girl clothes once in my life (no problem with anyone who does, but just not for me, unless someone were going to pay me a ton of money to do it or something in which case sure I'll do whatever) + I'm really worried about the dick stuff + I'm straight and a top and yet I'm still taking female hormones
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>>4424
the exercises aren't just for mitigating dysfunction, they grant hyperfunction. it's an ego thing for me.
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>>4427
what about voice training? I’ve also never crossdressed, but I find it fun to be able to produce a wide range of male and female voices and I’ve fooled people online before. also mostly a straight top.
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>>4428
you do know those kind of exercises are bogus right?
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>>4430
gay is not gay
>>4431
I’ve been making fun of jelqing for like 10 years but this is different, people have finally cracked the code.
>>4430
Can we get a fact check on this?
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>>4440
Thank you anon, if a mainstream media outlet reported it it must be true
lol
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